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Thursday, May 28, 2009

You think you know..

Currently: "Doublethinking"

The labyrinth world of doublethink:

"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying to claim to it......to forget what it is necessary to forget then draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly forget it again, and above all apply the same process to the process itself - that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unsconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word of "doublethink" involved the use of doublethink."


A sort of descrition of how my mind works. Lifted from the book 1984 by Orwell. It is mind blowing to ponder on it and I think I just spent the last 30 minutes doing just that. I am applying it to a predicament I am facing haha.

This is the best explanation I have to why you think I am what I am. I doublethink to believe what I need to believe for whatever reason - to get through the day, to lessen anxiety, to avoid conflict, to be normal, to not hurt someone". Meanwhile holding whatever I believe is true in my subconscious only to bring it out when flashes of a mental picture of the word "ALARM" is going off in my head. All my thoughts momentarily freeze as the mental picture becomes clearer and clearer until it fades away in less than a second. Yeah, reeking a little bit of insanity huh? Another vague post to get something off my chest. Yeah, i'm not dense.


BRAIN DAMAGE: I dont know how I can read a book and think I havent read it until reading the last few words. :/

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

whose side is your "truth alarm" on? who put it there?

Sush said...

well its on nobody's side. =) The truth doesnt side with anyone, i dont like to acknowledge what is true sometimes to avoid complications. and well i sometimes just dont really like the truth haha.

Anonymous said...

i like your reply. :D I asked because of this..

"I doublethink to believe what I need to believe for whatever reason - to get through the day, to lessen anxiety, to avoid conflict, to be normal, to not hurt someone."

it's sad, if i think it is what it it is... you're comfy where everyone expects you to be?

i wasn't exactly sure wether it's truth alarm or "comfort zone" alarm, if there's even such a thing.

or maybe you're talking about two separate things in the same paragraph. haha

but if i think i know what you're saying, then it works both ways. as long as there's no conflict with anyone, you'll have no anxiety (for now), so you doublethink?

tell me if I need to go back to school. haha.

Sush said...

haha okay that's more than I expected anyone to analyze this post so no you don't need to go back to school.


Prety close or a different view on it I guess? the asnwer to you question, I doublethink something that is causing conflict. I take into consideration the facts, acknowledge what it is telling me then ignore it. ofcourse this doesnt apply to everything cause then id be better off stuck in 1984 (the book) haha.

but sometimes, doublethink. I dont think its much of a comfort zone or comfort problem as much as it is trying to be subjective and objective at the same time? im not making sense am i?. its 4am, my brains dead.

It is what is is! :)

Anonymous said...

gotcha, i think. but why? you don't have to if it's clear as day and night. haha. I'll go on a tangent here. and I hate to quote but..

"Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. " -Ayn Rand

predicaments.. (ok so you don't like the truth sometimes) i was told.. if you put up with it, then you deserve it. unless you're 12.

too much rand?

found this:
http://www.promethea.org/Misc_Compositions/Doublethink.html

Sush said...

Ahh the quote, Ayn Rand is a dead giveaway but I knew it was you haha. "Big Brother is watching you!" haha it only makes sense that you would reply to this among the many other readers I have (sarcasm - just in case some random fool stumbles upon this)


If anyone sane is reading this, it would not make any sense. The post itself is like a mind game haha let alone the comments where both you and I are trying to interpret what the other is saying. But it is obvious that you and I are applying the concept on an entirely different situation or perhaps on a different clause of the situation?.

Did I not say that I only use this in certain situations because to apply the concept of doublethink to every other situation or to live by it would be total insanity.

Contradictions do not exist if you simply rely on the facts. But everything is subjective, what you see may not be what I see. So then how do you know that what you know is really true? and that is where doublethinking comes in. Well in my case at least and to answer your question as to why I do it. To acknowledge the facts and then ignore them. Putting up with it. hmm. We put up with a lot of crap sometimes in exchange of something or well yeah I cant find any other way to put it. I hope youre not thinking what I think you may be thinking but like I said it is what it is. This was meant to be a vague post anyway. Because if I was so willing to discuss it I would not need to post a mind boggling version of it here haha.


But thank you for the comments, this has been one of the most brain stimulating comment-reply ever haha. And for the link. Ahh, Orwell is a genius!

*Back to hibernation

Sush said...

I think words can be twisted so let me make something more clear about what I had said. Putting up with things in exchange for something. Well we put up with things in exchange for something better, something that you feel is more worth than the drama of acknowledging the truth will cause. hmm I still cant explain it without being too direct. I'll site an example when I think of one

Anonymous said...

ngee. i thought you knew all along. *waves and sayaw to the cameras* my handle is corny so i post as anon. neways i don't know what you think i'm thinking but i still think that it is what it is also. i think you got me wrong though. but wish i can articulate my thoughts in paper as well as folks like you. that's why i like reading post like this. hehe. that link did help. 1984 book is actually assigned to high schoolers, so i guess, i need to... ya.

Anonymous said...

yeah you got me wrong. word I should've used for how i understood 'doublethink' was defense mech for 'some' of the situations we find ourselves in. predicament was in general. I'll stick to Rand. hehe.

Sush said...

Ohh had an idea it was you just didnt want to assume hehe anyway I just finished reading the link. It pretty much explains what it is. I think you get the doublethink concept. Just not where im applying it to :)

Im officially in love with 1984 though. I'll finish anthem as soon as im done reading it again

Sush said...

About articulating thoughts better in paper. I cannot or will have a hard time discussing this in person haha I think I write better. And yeah well doublethink is a defense mechanism.

And here something from the link you gave:

"Here we see that an objective "true" perspective can serve as a useful model within a context, proving very useful indeed to Winston in going against the Party's "collective solipsism" — though we do not see evidence supporting Ayn Rand's assertion that objectivity exists as a universal, perfectly accessible ideal entirely independent of context and perspective. Indeed, doublethink describes an internal conflict within the mind; it is even possible to follow doublethink with two things which do not really conflict practically, merely because one consciously and unconsciously believes it proper."I do not believe that objectivity is entirely independent of context and perspective as Rand says. Though objectivity should be free from the two, sometimes it just doesnt work that way. It is not universal at least not in what way I am using it.

I am trying to be objective and the more things unfold the bigger the word alarm gets. I am trying to stick to the facts but for the sake of something that I dont want to be ruined, im doublethinking it. So its not not accepting what I know is true from being objective but ignoring what the facts are telling me to not necessarily avoid conflict but to not ruin something.

Anonymous said...

what about triplethink?

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